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    hải tặc!!!!nỗi kinh hoàng

    chắc mọi người chí ít cũng đã từng đọc sách hay xem phim về hải tặc và lịch sử phát triển của nó,nay tui mở topic này để các bác thảo luận về hải tặc thời xưa(0 dính dàng đễn xomali nghen[IMG]images/smilies/10.gif[/IMG]) và các bác hâm mộ tên hải tặc nào nhất
    về phần tui thì tui thích nhất henry morgan và chiến công đánh chiếm portobelo của ông ta[IMG]images/smilies/8.gif[/IMG]

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    Hâm mộ nhất là Hải tặc râu đen: Edward Teach.

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    trước khi bàn luận và bình chọn chúng ta tìm hiểu một chút nhở

    hải tặc thời cổ đại này:
    One of the oldest documents (inscription on a clay tablet) describing pirates dates back to Pharo Echnaton (1350 BC). The report mentions notorious free lance Mediterranean shipping attacks in North Africa.

    Greek merchants who were trading with ports in Phoenicia and Anatolia occasionally allude casually to piracy, a classic by-product of such trading activity. There is epigraphic evidence for piracy as well: in the 340s Athens honored Cleomis, tyrant of Methymna on Lesbos, for ransoming a number of Athenians captured by pirates.

    The Aethiopica one of the ancient Greek novels by Heliodorus of Emesa (3rd century AD) tells the story of an Ethiopian princess and a Thessalian prince who undergo a series of perils (battles, voyages, piracy, abductions, robbery, and torture) before their eventual happy marriage in the heroine's homeland.

    Polycrates (Greek tyrant) seized control of the city of Samos during a celebration of a festival of Hera outside the city walls. After eliminating his two brothers, who had at first shared his power, he established despotism, and ships from his 100-vessel fleet committed acts of piracy that made him notorious throughout Greece.

    thời kỳ hoàng kim của Hải Tặc
    Starting in XVI century piracy was gaining in popularity. Thanks to the progress of technology better, bigger and faster ships were built. Colonial expansion was beginning with all the shipping it created carrying gold and other goods. Competing interests and ambitions of colonial powers made it easy for ambitious sailors to always find a way to legalize the most cruel acts of piracy. English privateers could for instance attack and rob, with impunity, Spanish shipping. On the other hand North African pirates had a license to rob English ships and Madagascar pirates of the XVIII century represented French king’s interests. The continually, since ancient times, notorious was so called Barbary Coast , name formerly applied to the coast of North Africa from the western border of Egypt to the Atlantic Ocean. From the 1500s to the 1800s the coast was occupied by independent Islamic states under the sovereignty of the Ottoman Empire. In the early 1500s, these states became centers for pirates.

    Barbery pirates were any of the Muslim pirates operating from the coast of North Africa. Captains, who formed a class in Algiers and Tunis, commanded cruisers outfitted by wealthy backers, who then received 10 percent of the value of the prizes. The pirates used galleys until the 17th century, when Simon Danser, a Flemish renegade, taught them the advantage of using sailing ships. North African piracy had very ancient origins as we described above. It gained a political significance during the 16th century, many of the Muslim pirates operating from the coast of North Africa, at their most powerful during the 17th century but still active until the 19th century. Most notable leader of North Africa was Barbarossa, who united Algeria and Tunisia as military states under the Ottoman sultanate and maintained his revenues by piracy. With the arrival of powerful Moorish bands in Rabat and Tétouan (1609), Morocco became a new center for the pirates and for the 'Alawi sultans, who quickly gained control of the two republics and encouraged piracy as a valuable source of revenue. During the 17th century, the Algerian and Tunisian pirates joined forces, and by 1650 more than 30,000 of their captives were imprisoned in Algiers alone. Piratical practices were the cause of several wars between Tripolitania and the United States in the 19th century. The British made two attempts to suppress Algerian piracy after 1815, and the French finally ended it in 1830.

    After the American Revolution (1775-1783), the United States agreed to pay money for immunity from attack, but it later attacked several Barbary states and helped end the Piracy. During the remainder of the 1800s and in the early 1900s, European nations gained sovereignty over the Barbary Coast.

    Another category of pirates (at least by name only) has emerged. They were so called Buccaneers hired by their governments to fight in the War of the Spanish Succession (1701-1714). Buccaneer title was applied to English, Dutch, and French seafaring adventurers of the 17th century. Buccaneers and they were usually distinguished from privateers, who had official government commissions; buccaneers rarely had valid commissions. They are also distinguished from pirates, who attacked ships of all nations.

    The buccaneers were pirates who, during the 16th and 17th centuries, preyed mainly on Spanish commerce with the Spanish American colonies. Piracy decreased with the development of the steam engine and the growth of the British and American navies in the late 18th century and early 19th. At first the headquarters of the buccaneers was on the island of Tortuga, off the northwestern coast of Hispaniola (now Haiti). The buccaneers later used Jamaica as a base of operations. They captured Panama in 1671.

    The term buccaneer comes from the French boucan, a grill for the smoking of viande boucanée, or dried meat, for use in ships at sea. The early buccaneers were usually escaped servants, former soldiers, and wood cutters mainly from Mexico. The historical importance of the buccaneers lies chiefly in the influence that they had on the founding of the abortive Scottish colony at Darién, on the Isthmus of Panama (1698). Their stories also influenced such important authors as Jonathan Swift, Daniel Defoe, and Robert Louis Stevenson. The buccaneers were largely inspired by the example of 16th-century seamen, such as Sir Francis Drake, but they are to be distinguished from genuine privateers because the commissions that they held were seldom valid. They are also to be distinguished from the outlawed pirates of the 18th century, although many of the buccaneers' actions can be called piratical. The earliest buccaneers went under assumed names, such as L'Olonnais (Jean-David Nau) or Rock Brasiliano, a Dutchman who had lived in Brazil. With the appearance of Henry Morgan, an outstanding leader, they began to organize themselves into powerful bands that captured Portobelo in 1668 and Panama in 1671. As the Treaty of Madrid (1670) had only recently been signed to compose Anglo-Spanish differences in those parts, the news of his success at Panama was not officially welcome. Morgan was brought back to England under arrest, but, on the renewal of trouble with Spain, he was knighted and sent out as deputy governor of Jamaica. He and his superiors attempted to suppress buccaneering, a task impossible without adequate naval patrols. The last great buccaneering enterprise was the unsuccessful attack on Panama in about 1685 by a force of about 3,000 men led by Edward Davis, John Eaton, Charles Swan, and others. On the outbreak of the War of the Grand Alliance in 1689, these freebooters became legitimate privateers in the service of their respective nations, and buccaneering came to an end.

    Quite a few pirates were operating during the Elizabethan years when England and Spain fought over world domination. One of the famous pirates was Sir Francis Drake who circumnavigated the Earth, during which Spanish shipping was looted, Spanish California plundered even though England was not officially at war with Spain. When Drake and another pirate John Hawkins were almost captured during the Battle of San Juan de Ulúa in September the English cried foul treachery but the Spanish dismissed the action as sensible tactics when dealing with pirates.

    During XVII and XVIII centuries piracy has peaked and many infamous pirates were operating at that time (Blackbeard, Morgan, Lafitte to mention only few) and this is the era we concentrate on in our Web page.

    The less known but also very active were pirates of the Far East. Pinyin Zheng Zhilong (XVII century), was a Chinese pirate leader who achieved great power in the transitional period between the Ming and Ch'ing dynasties. As a boy, Cheng found employment with the Europeans in the Portuguese settlement at Macau, where he was baptized and given the Christian name of Nicholas Gaspard. After leaving Macau, he joined a pirate band that preyed on Dutch and Chinese trade. In 1628 he was induced by the government to help defend the coast against both the Dutch and the pirates . He soon acquired great wealth and power.

    Another notorious pirate Cheng Ch'eng-kung (also known as Koxinga), controlled the island of Formosa (Taiwan), and refused to surrender to official forces for long period of time.

    By the end of the 17th century, with the growth of a strong central power in Japan under the Tokugawa shogunate (1603-1867) and in China under the Ch'ing dynasty, most of the piracy was eliminated.

    Also, the increased size of merchant vessels, communications technology and naval patrolling of most ocean highways, the regular administration of most islands and land areas of the world, and the general recognition by governments of piracy as an international offense resulted in a great decline in piracy in the 19th and 20th centuries. Piracy has, however, occurred in the 20th century in traditional places like the South China Sea, and the practice of hijacking ships or airplanes has developed into a new form of piracy.

    danh sách một số hải tặc nổi tiếng:
    1. Anne Bonny
    2. Bartholomoew Robert
    3. Edward Teach
    4. Francis Drake
    5. Henry Morgan
    6. Jean Laffite
    7. John King
    8. John RAckham
    9. Mary Read
    10. maurycy Beniowski
    11. Samuel Bellany
    12. Stede Bonet
    13. thomas Jones
    14. William Dampier
    15. William Kidd
    16. Kanhoji Angria
    17. Howell David
    18.Murat REis

    v.vv....

    giới thiệu về 1 số tàu hải tặc:
    Common Pirate Ships

    This is a Sloop Sloops- The favorite little wonder boat of Caribbean and Atlantic pirates in the late 1600's was first produced in large numbers by master builders in Jamaica, and her single-mast configuration was later changed by Bermudans in the 1700's. Although usually rigged for a larger fore-and-aft mainsail, it could easily be altered for various sail combinations. The huge bowsprit also added more canvas area for more maneuverability.

    Thirty to sixty feet long with a top speed of over 10 knots, a crew of 20 to 70 men could easily work this father of the modern sailing yacht for lightning-swift attacks, avoiding broadsides, and outrunning pursuit. In spite of weighing as much as 100 tons and having perhaps 15 cannons, its draft was amazingly shallow at eight feet. This allowed it to find safety in shallower waters far beyond any warship's range. A shallow draft was also was the reason that those entrusted to pursue pirate ships often favored the sloop to get access to their hiding spots. (more info)

    This is a SchoonerSchooners- The two-masted schooner was another favorite of the Caribbean and Atlantic pirates. With many of the same features of the sloop such as terrific speed, maneuverability, and gun capacity, this swift American variant was first built in the 1700's with a narrower hull and a shallower draft of only 5 feet. This meant it could easily take a large haul and 75-man crew further inland to hide or to divide the booty, but a smaller hold stored fewer spoils. (more info)

    This is a Brigantine Brigantines- The Pirate Ship This shallow-draft, two-mast brigand's ship gave terrific maneuverability and speed from its various square and fore/aft-rigged sail variations. It was prized in the Mediterranean, where its earlier versions sometimes included oars that were better for diminished winds. Heavier, longer, and roomier than the smaller sloops and schooners, it was usually first choice for prolonged battles instead of quick hits. Adequate firepower and a larger hold meant the versatile pirate ship also saw widespread use as a trade ship. 70-80 foot length, 125-150 tons, 100+ men, 12 guns... (more info)

    Square-rigged Pirate Ships-

    With their large square sails hanging from arms on the three masts, these would be rightly called ships, or merchant ships, for those outside of Naval use. Pirates knew merchant ships were fairly slow, full of valuable goods, and under-gunned because of skinflint owners. For crossing large bodies of water, a few versions may have been fairly swift for their size, but that size meant they were not agile - they could not turn on a dime...or a dollar. Owners and captains would try to compensate with more cannons, traveling in convoys, and military escorts.

    Faster- The Merchant Carrier was a 275-ton, 80-foot- long variety with a more streamlined hull. It gained a reputation for rapidly ferrting passengers as well as cargo across the Atlantic in a month or less. The weak point was that such a large ship could usually have a small crew of 20 or less, and they could rarely fire more than a few of its possible 16 guns.

    This is a Dutch FleutFatter- The Dutch Fleut was so well-designed that it became the prototype for cargo carriers. This was a broad, flat-bottomed, and strong ship with a weight of 300 tons spread over only 80 feet. It could also carry 50 percent more cargo than other designs. Merchants on the tightest budget loved that the Fleut was inexpensive to build and to man, as only twelve men could make a crew. With the same weak defense as the carrier, there was no way for the crew to sail and fire very many of its twelve cannons.

    An IndiamanMonster- An East Indiaman was by far the largest and best for long voyages. This titan was twice as large as a Fleut and weighed in at 700 tons! A pirate would spy this pregnant guppy on the horizon and get doubloon $igns in his eyes. The maximum pirate crew of 300 was probably possible only after successful runs in the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea, and the top gun capacity of 54 was often reduced to make room for more loot. (more info)

    A Galleon Galleons- These famous Spanish-designed trade and treasure ships rejected the light defense notion of other merchant vessels and were truly a force to be reckoned with. No amount of cannons, however, would deter the pirates attracted to the vast wealth they carried. With a crew over 200 on two or three decks of over 70 cannon, numerous swivel guns, and even archers' platforms on the masts, this virtual fort on water would use resistance only as a last but terrifying resort - broadsides were deadly. The pirates were not swayed, because the top speed of perhaps eight knots could not overcome the irksome design features which made it difficult or impossible to maneuver well in less than glassy seas. With huge square sails that prevented sailing into the wind, the hull narrow at the top and broad at bottom, and a tiny keel, it responded more like a washtub than a warship, and someone was always waiting to drain it dry.(more info)

    Predating the galleon, the Spanish and Portuguese sailed huge carracks on their trade routes. These three-masted ships were well-defended and large at over 1100 tons. A carrack could most always defend itself well against pirates. (more info)
    Other Pirate Ships:

    a Barbary galleyGalleys- The Barbary corsairs in the Mediterranean used a variant of this ancient, long and lean vessel during the 1500's and after. The sails provided only secondary power, because the main propusion was by up to 30 large oars rowed by several men apiece below the deck. One or more masts would attempt to take advantage of the occasional wind with lateen sails. Captains of the corsair galley first employed manpower to approach the prey, then if necessary, several cannon in the bow to assault, and finally on the large number of 100 or more marines or pirates to overcome the enemy.

    Captain William Kidd sailed The Adventure Galley, made in England in 1695. Three masts of square sails, 46 oars, 34 guns, and a nearly 300-ton weight made it more like a frigate than a galley. (more info)

    a Chinese Junk Junks- There really was no other real ship in the Far East but a junk for many centuries. Although the flat-bottom design was unimposisng, it was highly adaptable to merchant, military, and pirate demands alike.

    Among its distinct features were its very high stern, flat bow, wide breadth, and adjustable rudder height. Chinese Junks could range in size from 45 to 100 feet and have two to four main masts, as well as several heavy guns. (more info)

    Luật cướp biển (cái này nổi tiếng trong Pirates ò Caribean ne`
    Pirate Code of Conduct

    In the second half of the 17th century, buccaneers began operating under a set of rules called the Chasse-Partie, or Charter Party, which for a season even held legal weight in the Jamaican court system. This pirate code of conduct later grew into the Articles of Agreement (pirate's code), which basically explained the standard operating procedures for all pirates involved. To "go on the account" usually meant that a person signed the articles and was declaring their membership with a group of pirates.

    Elements of the Pirate Code:
    - who was voted CAPTAIN, if the ship's owner was not among them to be in charge...
    - which AREA to sail in search of fortune...
    - the TERMS and conditions of service clearly stated...
    - Articles of Bartholomew Roberts, pirate code the DIVISION of plunder among crew members...
    A pirate captain and possibly the quartermaster (whose powers equaled or surpassed those of the captain) might receive as much as two (sometimes up to five!) shares of the loot taken, while the master gunner, boatswain, and carpenter might receive 1 and3/4 shares. All others would receive 1 share or less.
    - INTOLERABLE behaviors, such as fighting, gambling, open flame
    - PUNISHMENT or disciplines for broken rules
    - COMPENSATION for disabling injuries such as loss of eye, hand, arm, or leg (losses of right hand or arm were compensated with more as more pirates were right-handed)

    Each pirate would sign or make his mark and then swear an oath of honor while his hand was on either a Bible, crossed pistols or a human skull, or while sitting on a cannon.
    Cat O' Nines on Thy Behind
    Punishments for Breaking the Pirate Code-

    Punishments for breaking the pirate's code were always swift and rarely without exception, an attitude carried over from their previous time aboard a sailing vessel.The quartermaster would deliver the punishment determined by the captain or vote of the crew, which might be legs in irons, flogging, or keel hauling. More serious crimes were answered with marooning or death....
    Real Pirate Articles (pirate code)-

    These were the articles used by Captain John Phillips' ship 'Revenge':

    * Article One
    Every man shall obey civil command; the captain shall have on full share and a half in all prizes. the Master, Carpenter, Boatswain, and Gunner shall have one share and quarter.
    * Article Two
    If any man shall offer to run away, or keep any secret from the Company, he shall be marroon'd with one bottle of powder, one bottle of Water, one small Arm, and shot.
    * Article Three
    If any Man shall steal any Thing in the Company, or game, to the value of a piece of Eight, he shall be Marroon'd or shot.
    * Article Four
    If at any Time we should meet at another Marrooner (that is, Pyrate) that man shall sign his Articles without Consent of our Company, shall suffer such Punishment as the Captain and Company shall think fit.
    * Article Five
    That man that shall strike another, whilst these Articles are in force, shall receive Moses's Law (that is 40 Stripes lacking one) on the bare Back.
    * Article Six
    That Man that shall snap his Arms, or smoak Tobacco in the Hold, without cap to his Pipe, or carry a candle lighted without lanthorn, shall suffer the same Punishment as in the former Article.
    * Article Seven
    That Man that shall not keep his Arms clean, fit for an Engagement, or neglect his Business, shall be cut off from his Share, and suffer such other Punishment as the Captain and Company shall think fit.
    * Article Eight
    If any man shall lose a joint in time of Engagement, shall have 400 Pieces of Eight: if a limb, 800.
    * Article Nine
    If at any time you meet with a prudent Woman, that Man that offers to meddle with her, without her Consent, shall suffer Death.

    Summary for the Pirate Code of Conduct-

    In the years before the founding of democratic nations, pirates were groups of violent men in rebellion against the restraints of harsh rule and society. The pirate code helped them to live under their unique social contracts. Although the goal was still to have the quickest route to riches and leisure as the tyrants they fled from, the pirate code elements such as: equality, rules and decisions by group vote, just punishments, and division of power, contributed to the framework upon which democracies would later be built.... Ain't that a pretty punch!

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    đó toàn là hải tặc của Tây. Có ai có tư liệu về hải tặc ở ta ko? Châu Á thời giữa nhà Minh đến hết nhà Thanh, hải tặc hoành hành dữ dội vùng biển Đông. Ở VN ta thì kháo nhau về bọn giặc Tàu Ô, ở Minh thì điên đảo vì bọn Nụy Khấu Nhật. Thời hoàng kim của Nụy Khấu có lẽ là khi Hideyoshi tập hợp chúng lại thành những hạm đội khổng lồ, phục vụ cho lực lượng chính quy Nhật tấn công Triều Tiên, để rồi chết điếng người trước các thiết giáp hạm tối tân của quân đội Nhân Sâm. [IMG]images/smilies/10.gif[/IMG]

    Quên mất, anh Từ Hải cũng hay bị gán ghép là lãnh tụ của 1 đảng Nụy Khấu Japanese.[IMG]images/smilies/24.gif[/IMG]


    Nói thế để mong có ai có tư liệu vè tàu bè và trang bị của bọn hải tặc phương Đông ko thì post lên cho anh em mở mang kiến thức, tớ cũng cố tìm rồi nhưng.... ko ra. [IMG]images/smilies/46.gif[/IMG]

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    bác seaboy sao 0 dịch luôn vậy nhìn toàn tiếng anh hoa hết cả mắt

    Hâm mộ nhất là Hải tặc râu đen: Edward Teach.
    edward teach thì hay được gọi là blackbeard hơn,hung ác có tiếng,chỉ mỗi tội thời gian hoạt động ngắn quá,chưa hết 2 năm đã phải phơi đầu trên cột buồm HMS Pearl vì cái thói ngạo mạn,chủ quan
    có ai bầu cho henry avery 0 nhỉ

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    Hải tặc phương Đông thì nổi tiếng nhất là hải tặc Nhật, đánh phá phía đông nhà Minh rất dữ dội, khiến cho họ phải mượn tạm thủy quân Đại Việt lên dẹp giúp.

    Tiếp theo là hải tặc Nhà Thanh, kiểm soát cả một vùng kinh tế Đông Á.

    Về phía Đông Nam Á thì kinh khủng là hải tặc Thái Lan [IMG]images/smilies/71.gif[/IMG] bọn này nổi tiếng ở bẩn, có nhiều điều tiếng.

    Mà có ai biết vụ Julius Ceasar từng bị hải tặc bắt cóc không nhỉ [IMG]images/smilies/71.gif[/IMG]

    @yevon: Dùng sai chữ thiết giáp hạm rồi. Cái đó là tàu chiến con rùa

    Trích dẫn Gửi bởi [[url
    http://www.koreanhistoryproject.org/Ket/C09/E0901.htm]Choson[/url] based its earliest relations with Japan on the interrelated issues of trade and piracy, just as it had with China. While Choson did its best to resist pirate incursions at home, it ordered its envoys to Kyoto to demand that Japan control the pirates. The small, insular domain on Tsushima Island had long been a major pirate base. Ironically, the aristocratic feudal barons, daimyo, of the Japanese So clan, the hereditary lords of Tsushima Island, monopolized most of Japan's foreign trade. Once the shoguns acquired sufficient power, they convinced the So clan that as a matter of self-interest and to protect Japan's trade relations with Choson and China, the daimyo had better get control of Japanese pirates operating from bases in southwestern Japan. From their strategic position on Tsushima Island, the So daimyo gradually brought the pirate problem under control and, as a consequence, helped expand trade between Japan and Choson.

    Just when King Sejong took the throne in Choson, the leader of the So clan died. The young boy who succeeded him had none of his predecessor's power and the Tsushima pirates quickly reacted by retaking control of affairs in the waters off Japan and Choson. The loss of control over the pirate problem angered King Sejong enough that he launched a major assault in 1419 against pirate strongholds on the islands of Iki and Tsushima. A naval expedition of 227 ships and nearly 17,000 men commanded by Yi Pang-won, the former King Taejong, handed the pirates a stinging defeat. Choson's hardened policy towards Japan caused the So clan on Tsushima Island to repeatedly send envoys to Choson to express their contrition. Shogun Ashikaga Yoshimitsu, eager to open trade with both Ming China and Choson, sent word to King Sejong that he would suppress the pirates in exchange for a copy of the Buddhist Tripitaka Koreana. The Yi government took a conciliatory position and, in 1423, shipped a copy of the 6,467 volume Buddhist text to Yoshimitsu's successor, Shogun Yoshimochi. Eventually, Choson granted the Japanese limited trading privileges and access to three ports along Choson's southeast coast.

    With the pirates' striking power temporarily diminished, Choson made direct contact with pirate leaders and applied the same policy toward them that had worked so successfully with the Jurchen tribes in the northeast. Those pirate chieftains who submitted to a semi-tributary status with the Yi court in Seoul received official posts, titles or seals, and trading privileges, thereby converting their pirate raids into peaceful commerce. They also gained certain diplomatic and commercial privileges in Choson.

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    Như Trịnh Thành Công ở Đài Loan có dc xếp vào hải tặc k? [IMG]images/smilies/39.gif[/IMG]

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    Hải tặc phương Đông thì nổi tiếng nhất là hải tặc Nhật, đánh phá phía đông nhà Minh rất dữ dội, khiến cho họ phải mượn tạm thủy quân Đại Việt lên dẹp giúp.
    đâu ra cái trò mượn tàu Đại Việt thế? Đại Việt có kinh nghiệm hải chiến bao nhiêu mà nhà Minh thèm mượn, chưa kể Đại Việt thời TK 16 cũng điêu đứng vì đủ thứ chuyện.


    Tiếp theo là hải tặc Nhà Thanh, kiểm soát cả một vùng kinh tế Đông Á.
    tôi chưa nghe hải tặc Thanh, chỉ nghe có bọn Tàu Ô là những phần tử phản Thanh tụ tập mà thôi. Ông có thể nói rõ hơn?

    Hải tặc Thái Lan thời trung cổ thì tôi ít nghe, chủ yếu nghe qua mấy vụ thuyền nhân. Kế đó là hải tặc Phillipin và Malaisia.

    gọi thiết giáp hạm cho nó oai thôi.[IMG]images/smilies/10.gif[/IMG]
    vụ Cearsa có nghe.[IMG]images/smilies/24.gif[/IMG]
    Trịnh Thành Cong là anh hùng TQ, đánh đuổi Hà Lan, giành lại Đài Loan, là binh sĩ tiền triều nuôi chí nguyện phản Thanh phục Minh, dân chúng kính trọng, sao gọi là hải tặc được.

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    Về phía Đông Nam Á thì kinh khủng là hải tặc Thái Lan bọn này nổi tiếng ở bẩn, có nhiều điều tiếng.
    Vn ta chắc cũng có nhiều người ghét tụi Thái lan lắm nhỉ?

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    Về phía Đông Nam Á thì kinh khủng là hải tặc Thái Lan bọn này nổi tiếng ở bẩn, có nhiều điều tiếng.
    Vn ta chắc cũng có nhiều người ghét tụi Thái lan lắm nhỉ?

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